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Mar 22 2017, 02:10:34 PM
it's a 2010 film but I don't think it got much distribution outside festivals until 2012 so it's a bit newer than it appears. Recommend if you like the more 'personal-essay' documentary style of people like Herzog and Agnes Varda
Cheers for the info. I wonder how many other titles here will be films that I am not familiar with.

Awesome avatar, by the way.
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Mar 22 2017, 12:02:22 PM
Wow, I'm extremely surprised at Nosferatu being so low. I would have expected it to be in the top 500 or so. But maybe I'm just way off about it's popularity (as I'm the highest voter for it aswell).
And I'm surprised it's on the list at all. I've long had the impression that Herzo's reputation was in decline and I never felt like this was one of his most highly-regarded films. Just goes to show that there are infinite opinions about these things out there, and it really matters which of them you read. For the record I love Herzog but it's been a long time since I've seen most of his films and my memory of this one is just "pretty good". I suppose it's time to revisit after 20+ years.
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#997(⇩98, #899) Once (2007)
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(519.34 Pts, 14 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 997899720723963←507
ICheckMovies: 14853 Checks , 1654 Favourites , 3 Official lists
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#996(⇩98, #898) Wild at Heart (1990)
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Directed by:David Lynch
(520.22 Pts, 13 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 996898815848621←568
ICheckMovies: 8356 Checks , 598 Favourites , 4 Official lists
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#995(⇩189, #806) Lαsky jednι plavovlαsky (1965)
[The Loves of a Blonde]

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(520.7 Pts, 15 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 995806117711581161←NA
ICheckMovies: 1330 Checks , 142 Favourites , 11 Official lists
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#994(NEW) The Haunting (1963)
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Directed by:Robert Wise
(521.4 Pts, 11 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 994112491310191008←830
ICheckMovies: 7446 Checks , 380 Favourites , 6 Official lists
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#993(⇩154, #839) Rain Man (1988)
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(522.64 Pts, 17 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 993839597569815←593
ICheckMovies: 56317 Checks , 2864 Favourites , 15 Official lists
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#992(NEW) Manoel dans l'ξle des merveilles (1984)
[Manuel on the Island of Wonders]

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(523.72 Pts, 10 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–2
History: 9921763189114521947←NA
ICheckMovies: 70 Checks , 15 Favourites , 2 Official lists
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#991(NEW) The Neon Demon (2016)
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(524.08 Pts, 11 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 991←[color=#NA[/color]←[color=#NA[/color]←[color=#NA[/color]←[color=#NA[/color]←NA
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#990(⇩1, #989) 7th Heaven (1927)
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(524.51 Pts, 13 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 990989110111392044←NA
ICheckMovies: 926 Checks , 83 Favourites , 10 Official lists
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Mar 22 2017, 01:56:11 PM
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Mar 22 2017, 01:35:42 PM
I have never even heard of #1001(NEW) Nostalgia de la luz (2010) which has over 900 checks and therefore won't qualify for 500<400. Hmm.


It's on:

TSPDT
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What more do you want?
Just for the record: I didn't write that. Weirdboy must have made an error cutting the quote. Though I haven't seen it either.
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great work with the rank history - nice feature!
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Maybe with the new people the Horror Mafia's presence will grow ever stronger, cool to see The Haunting on here again.
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#989(NEW) Ai qing wan sui (1994)
[Vive L'Amour]

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(524.71 Pts, 11 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
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#988(⇩175, #813) Kurutta ippκji (1926)
[A Page of Madness]

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(525.57 Pts, 15 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 98881397115011059←NA
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#987(⇩342, #645) Short Cuts (1993)
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(525.63 Pts, 15 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 987645623742614←778
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#986(⇩120, #866) They Live (1988)
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(526.28 Pts, 20 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 98686610351230982←NA
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Mar 22 2017, 02:28:21 PM
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Mar 22 2017, 12:02:22 PM
Wow, I'm extremely surprised at Nosferatu being so low. I would have expected it to be in the top 500 or so. But maybe I'm just way off about it's popularity (as I'm the highest voter for it aswell).
And I'm surprised it's on the list at all. I've long had the impression that Herzo's reputation was in decline and I never felt like this was one of his most highly-regarded films. Just goes to show that there are infinite opinions about these things out there, and it really matters which of them you read. For the record I love Herzog but it's been a long time since I've seen most of his films and my memory of this one is just "pretty good". I suppose it's time to revisit after 20+ years.
I don't have that impression at all as he's still working and putting out more really good films (at least the documentaries, the films have been a mixed bag lately) but I'm also much younger than you, I couldn't remember what his reputation was like in the 90's or even in 2005.

I also always thought that Nosferatu was usually considered among his 5 best at least but I might very well be wrong about that. TSPDT has it ranked 8th, below multiple of the documentaries.

I would very much encourage you to rewatch it though, in my mind it's a timeless classic just like the original - which I hope will also appear in this list yet but with Herzog's only ranking so low I'm a little scared now (D:)
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#985(⇩16, #969) Mr. Nobody (2009)
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History: 98596912918811926←NA
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#984(⇩314, #670) Crash (1996)
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History: 984670886903775←930
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#983(⇩120, #863) Huo zhe (1994)
[To Live]

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(528.67 Pts, 14 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–2
History: 9838638428171121←802
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#982(⇩147, #835) Ostre sledovanι vlaky (1966)
[Closely Watched Trains]

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History: 9828357631092958←NA
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Personally, I think Herzog's version is better (just added it to my list for
next year's poll). But don't worry - Murnau's version will appear.

Herzog's latest with Nicole Kidman was abysmal. His documentaries are still a lot of fun.
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Wow, some real surprises in there (all making it with relatively few votes):

@Manoel - I decided to include this at the final moment near the bottom of my top 500. I guess that might have knocked it over the threshold but I'm happy it did (obviously the bulk of points comes from OldAle and Perception though).

@7th Heaven - Wow, out of all the people with ranked lists I rank it 2nd last... Wouldn't have expected that as I really liked it a lot and ranked it rather highly (or so I thought).

@Wild at Heart - The first (and possibly only) film on this list that I don't like.

I'm feeling a tiny bit bad about not having seen some of the more obscure films - people like me are the reason they score so low afterall :(

And also thank you for doing this Peaceful, it really looks like a lot of work and it's much appreciated.

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Personally, I think Herzog's version is better (just added it to my list for
next year's poll). But don't worry - Murnau's version will appear.


:worship:

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Herzog's latest with Nicole Kidman was abysmal. His documentaries are still a lot of fun.[/quotes]

I ended up avoiding it because all of the bad press tbh (it actually played at my theater which really surprised me). I have seen both of his 2016 documentaries and they were both excellent (I even wrote a review for Into the Inferno). His feature film from 2016 (3 films a year is crazy btw) also looks better than Queen of the Desert at least and I've heard a bit of praise for it aswell (although reactions are very mixed in genera).
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Mar 22 2017, 12:02:22 PM
Wow, I'm extremely surprised at Nosferatu being so low. I would have expected it to be in the top 500 or so. But maybe I'm just way off about it's popularity (as I'm the highest voter for it aswell).
And I'm surprised it's on the list at all. I've long had the impression that Herzo's reputation was in decline and I never felt like this was one of his most highly-regarded films. Just goes to show that there are infinite opinions about these things out there, and it really matters which of them you read. For the record I love Herzog but it's been a long time since I've seen most of his films and my memory of this one is just "pretty good". I suppose it's time to revisit after 20+ years.
I don't have that impression at all as he's still working and putting out more really good films (at least the documentaries, the films have been a mixed bag lately) but I'm also much younger than you, I couldn't remember what his reputation was like in the 90's or even in 2005.

I also always thought that Nosferatu was usually considered among his 5 best at least but I might very well be wrong about that. TSPDT has it ranked 8th, below multiple of the documentaries.

I would very much encourage you to rewatch it though, in my mind it's a timeless classic just like the original - which I hope will also appear in this list yet but with Herzog's only ranking so low I'm a little scared now (D:)
I think his rep - like that of his almost-exact contemporary Coppola - was probably at it's peak in the 70s-early 80s, roughly from Aguirre through Fitzcarraldo. He had a string of well-received and still well-remembered films for about 15 years, and since then it's been much more of a mixed bag.

But it is all just memory that I'm going on; before the interwebs it was a lot harder to chart such things, and the only big list that people paid attention to as far as GOAT was probably Sight and Sound, which only presented a handful of films once every 10 years. So it's hard to quantify whose rep was better or worse. I lived in Chicago at the time and of our major critics, Ebert was generally very up on Herzog, Siskel a bit less, and Rosenbaum mostly a nay-sayer. I would say Wenders had an equal reputation at the time and Fassbinder was maybe a little ahead; now Fassbinder has pulled way out front, perhaps because he had the sense to die young before he could move to Hollywood. :D
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Mar 22 2017, 02:16:57 PM
Thanks for sharing. That certainly does demystify things.

It also explains why I keep getting weird ICM Forum emails about Bugs and Sion Sono films. :blink: Now, I realise that those emails are being sent from the icheckmovies forum rather than this forum.

There is an option to unsubscribe from those emails. I know I did ages ago.
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Mar 22 2017, 03:19:15 PM
#989(NEW) Ai qing wan sui (1994)
[Vive L'Amour]

Directed by:Ming-liang Tsai
(524.71 Pts, 11 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 9891195125634664417←NA
ICheckMovies: 563 Checks , 55 Favourites , 7 Official lists
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It's a mystery to me how a film with this title can be so depressing.
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I think his rep - like that of his almost-exact contemporary Coppola - was probably at it's peak in the 70s-early 80s, roughly from Aguirre through Fitzcarraldo. He had a string of well-received and still well-remembered films for about 15 years, and since then it's been much more of a mixed bag.

But it is all just memory that I'm going on; before the interwebs it was a lot harder to chart such things, and the only big list that people paid attention to as far as GOAT was probably Sight and Sound, which only presented a handful of films once every 10 years. So it's hard to quantify whose rep was better or worse. I lived in Chicago at the time and of our major critics, Ebert was generally very up on Herzog, Siskel a bit less, and Rosenbaum mostly a nay-sayer. I would say Wenders had an equal reputation at the time and Fassbinder was maybe a little ahead; now Fassbinder has pulled way out front, perhaps because he had the sense to die young before he could move to Hollywood. :D
That's very interesting to hear. I would have expected his reputation to be at it's peak a little after his string of great films (mid-80's to early 90's) but I assume without so much distribution of films for private use and without the internet the reputation was more based on the output here and now.

I would certainly hope his reputation since then has fared better than Coppola's though, especially with mutiple of his more modern documentaries being quite beloved (I think I have 3 of them in my toplist).

Your point about Wenders and Fassbinder is also interesting because I would have assumed it was much the other way around as Fassbinder was by far the most famous of the 3 back then in Germany. I would assume that his reputation kind of faded a little since then because he couldn't make any more films. I see much, much more discussion on Herzog today than on Fassbinder (even when it's about the old films). TSPDT also ranks Herzog over Fassbinder but that's obviously not a direct reflection of their personal reputation but of the cummulated acclaim of their films. Wenders is last on TSPDT but I would assume he is also more well known among the international audience than Fassbinder because of his 2 big films.
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#981(NEW) Ride the High Country (1962)
[Guns in the Afternoon]

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(529.08 Pts, 15 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 98110501176872980←888
ICheckMovies: 1493 Checks , 86 Favourites , 8 Official lists
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#980(NEW) Beiqνng chιngshμ (1989)
[A City of Sadness]

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(529.31 Pts, 12 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–2
History: 980120198014151000←NA
ICheckMovies: 746 Checks , 66 Favourites , 9 Official lists
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#979(⇧14, #993) Salς o le 120 giornate di Sodoma (1975)
[Salς, or the 120 Days of Sodom]

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Directed by:Pier Paolo Pasolini
(529.59 Pts, 11 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–2
History: 9799937198701085←NA
ICheckMovies: 5973 Checks , 339 Favourites , 11 Official lists
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#978(NEW) Les invasions barbares (2003)
[The Barbarian Invasions]

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Directed by:Denys Arcand
(529.81 Pts, 13 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 978104089711042135←NA
ICheckMovies: 2578 Checks , 214 Favourites , 7 Official lists
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#977(⇩28, #949) Shadows (1959)
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(530.52 Pts, 18 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 977949103612031109←765
ICheckMovies: 2531 Checks , 178 Favourites , 11 Official lists
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#976(NEW) Fehιrlσfia (1981)
[Son of the White Mare]

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(530.72 Pts, 11 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 9761024107619831553←NA
ICheckMovies: 307 Checks , 52 Favourites , 4 Official lists
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#975(⇩79, #896) Aladdin (1992)
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(530.94 Pts, 13 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–1–1
History: 9758961024672693←800
ICheckMovies: 88767 Checks , 3425 Favourites , 15 Official lists
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#974(NEW) Plein soleil (1960)
[Purple Noon]

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(531.62 Pts, 15 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–1
History: 9741186134613261618←NA
ICheckMovies: 1457 Checks , 147 Favourites , 8 Official lists
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#973(NEW) Bad Day at Black Rock (1955)
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History: 97310749851032883←740
ICheckMovies: 2959 Checks , 209 Favourites , 8 Official lists
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#972(⇩229, #743) Charade (1963)
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History: 972743936822839←NA
ICheckMovies: 6780 Checks , 709 Favourites , 1 Official lists
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#971(⇩172, #799) Tirez sur le pianiste (1960)
[Shoot the Pianist]

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(532.54 Pts, 21 Votes) , Top 1–10–50: 0–0–0
History: 971799820752604←381
ICheckMovies: 3208 Checks , 283 Favourites , 10 Official lists
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#970(NEW) Good Bye Lenin! (2003)
[Goodbye Lenin!]

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History: 9701181125110711139←853
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I think his rep - like that of his almost-exact contemporary Coppola - was probably at it's peak in the 70s-early 80s, roughly from Aguirre through Fitzcarraldo. He had a string of well-received and still well-remembered films for about 15 years, and since then it's been much more of a mixed bag.

But it is all just memory that I'm going on; before the interwebs it was a lot harder to chart such things, and the only big list that people paid attention to as far as GOAT was probably Sight and Sound, which only presented a handful of films once every 10 years. So it's hard to quantify whose rep was better or worse. I lived in Chicago at the time and of our major critics, Ebert was generally very up on Herzog, Siskel a bit less, and Rosenbaum mostly a nay-sayer. I would say Wenders had an equal reputation at the time and Fassbinder was maybe a little ahead; now Fassbinder has pulled way out front, perhaps because he had the sense to die young before he could move to Hollywood. :D
That's very interesting to hear. I would have expected his reputation to be at it's peak a little after his string of great films (mid-80's to early 90's) but I assume without so much distribution of films for private use and without the internet the reputation was more based on the output here and now.

I would certainly hope his reputation since then has fared better than Coppola's though, especially with mutiple of his more modern documentaries being quite beloved (I think I have 3 of them in my toplist).

Your point about Wenders and Fassbinder is also interesting because I would have assumed it was much the other way around as Fassbinder was by far the most famous of the 3 back then in Germany. I would assume that his reputation kind of faded a little since then because he couldn't make any more films. I see much, much more discussion on Herzog today than on Fassbinder (even when it's about the old films). TSPDT also ranks Herzog over Fassbinder but that's obviously not a direct reflection of their personal reputation but of the cummulated acclaim of their films. Wenders is last on TSPDT but I would assume he is also more well known among the international audience than Fassbinder because of his 2 big films.
Huh, I had no idea Herzog ranked above Fassbinder on TSPDT; maybe I've just been talking out of my ass this whole time :lol:

How do you rank them against each other? And where would you put their lesser-known contemporaries in the New German Cinema - Schroeter, von Trotta, Kluge, etc? I've only seen enough by the "big three" to have anything remotely meaningful to say, and at this point I can't really say I value any of them over the others; maybe Herzog, slightly, but only because I've seen a lot more from him and seen some of them multiple times. It was hard to see Fassbinder when I started watching films seriously 30 years ago, and a little harder to see Wenders (apart from his new films) than Herzog, and I haven't kept up with German cinema as much as I would have liked to in the intervening decades.
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What do people find great about sexually torturing and humiliating 18-20 year olds? (Salo)
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Kluge should be ranked very highly because of his tv shows (his movies are good too).
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Mar 22 2017, 05:09:34 PM
What do people find great about sexually torturing and humiliating 18-20 year olds? (Salo)
They're younger, aren't they? At least in the book they're 12-17.
The movie is simply hypnotizing.
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Salo is a complete fucking bore and I'm amazed anyone can get anything from it besides a good couple hours of sleep.
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Mar 22 2017, 05:15:08 PM
Salo is a complete fucking bore and I'm amazed anyone can get anything from it besides a good couple hours of sleep.
That's pretty much the way I felt about it the one time I saw it (on VHS! in the early 90s probably) but a lot of people that I really respect love it (and these are not people who would seem to get off on sadism), so it's been something of a priority to re-watch for me. When I'm in the mood...
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i saw it in cinema maybe 12-13 years ago and liked it then
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#968(NEW) Riget (1994)
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#967(⇩66, #901) The Blair Witch Project (1999)
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#966(NEW) Casino Royale (2006)
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Mar 22 2017, 05:02:49 PM
Huh, I had no idea Herzog ranked above Fassbinder on TSPDT; maybe I've just been talking out of my ass this whole time :lol:

How do you rank them against each other? And where would you put their lesser-known contemporaries in the New German Cinema - Schroeter, von Trotta, Kluge, etc? I've only seen enough by the "big three" to have anything remotely meaningful to say, and at this point I can't really say I value any of them over the others; maybe Herzog, slightly, but only because I've seen a lot more from him and seen some of them multiple times. It was hard to see Fassbinder when I started watching films seriously 30 years ago, and a little harder to see Wenders (apart from his new films) than Herzog, and I haven't kept up with German cinema as much as I would have liked to in the intervening decades.
I would rank them as follows (have seen about 10 from Fassbinder and Wenders - but multiple of the really long ones - 44 from Herzog):

Herzog (also my favorite german director and the single director I have seen most individual titles by if you include shorts)
Fassbinder (I only put him over Wenders after having seen Alexanderplatz)
Wenders (I still like him a lot)

I must say I'm not as well versed in their contemporaries as I'd like to be. I have actually not seen anything by von Trotta (although I'll probably see Die bleierne Zeit soon) or Schroeter. I don't know if ranking them would make sense as the maximum I've seen from any other director is 3 (from Straub/Huillet) but I like them all much less than Herzog, Wenders or Fassbinder. From what I've seen I like Straub/Huillet the best of the bunch though but they can be incredibly inacessible if you're not familiar with the themes and background of the individual film you're watching (I liked Not Reconsiled a lot because I could relate to it very well).
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Mar 22 2017, 05:09:34 PM
What do people find great about sexually torturing and humiliating 18-20 year olds? (Salo)
It is a very considerate disection of our society (or at least a part of it) told in a great lyrical form (which empathizes the complete death that this movie embodies). It made me cry by the end. It did barely not make my list though.
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tobias
Mar 22 2017, 05:24:49 PM
OldAle1
Mar 22 2017, 05:02:49 PM
Huh, I had no idea Herzog ranked above Fassbinder on TSPDT; maybe I've just been talking out of my ass this whole time :lol:

How do you rank them against each other? And where would you put their lesser-known contemporaries in the New German Cinema - Schroeter, von Trotta, Kluge, etc? I've only seen enough by the "big three" to have anything remotely meaningful to say, and at this point I can't really say I value any of them over the others; maybe Herzog, slightly, but only because I've seen a lot more from him and seen some of them multiple times. It was hard to see Fassbinder when I started watching films seriously 30 years ago, and a little harder to see Wenders (apart from his new films) than Herzog, and I haven't kept up with German cinema as much as I would have liked to in the intervening decades.
I would rank them as follows (have seen about 10 from Fassbinder and Wenders - but multiple of the really long ones - 44 from Herzog):

Herzog (also my favorite german director and the single director I have seen most individual titles by if you include shorts)
Fassbinder (I only put him over Wenders after having seen Alexanderplatz)
Wenders (I still like him a lot)

I must say I'm not as well versed in their contemporaries as I'd like to be. I have actually not seen anything by von Trotta (although I'll probably see Die bleierne Zeit soon) or Schroeter. I don't know if ranking them would make sense as the maximum I've seen from any other director is 3 (from Straub/Huillet) but I like them all much less than Herzog, Wenders or Fassbinder. From what I've seen I like Straub/Huillet the best of the bunch though but they can be incredibly inacessible if you're not familiar with the themes and background of the individual film you're watching (I liked Not Reconsiled a lot because I could relate to it very well).
We're in about the same place actually, though I've seen considerably fewer Herzogs than you have - 24. I did see over half of those in the cinema though, including Aguirre 3 times and Land des Schweigens und der Dunkelheit and Fitzcarraldo twice apiece. I also have seen nothing from Schroeter or von Trotta and little from Kluge. One film that I would really recommend if you haven't seen it is Die Parallelstraίe (Ferdinand Khittl, 1962) - I think it's the only film from the director that's at all known. Not really like anything else - in Germany or maybe anywhere - at the time, it seems to anticipate people like Greenaway and Ruiz in some respects.

Straub/Huillet don't really belong to the same group IMO - for one thing, they're both French, though it seems they worked in Germany more than anywhere else, or at least as much. They don't strike me as belonging to any particular group or school except their own, and I agree that they are very difficult; I think one almost has to be an academic with quite deep knowledge of European history to really get most of what they're doing. But I've still found the half dozen I've seen at least interesting, and I'd probably pick the same film as a 'favorite' as you do at this point.
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#964(⇩61, #903) Lola (1961)
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#963(NEW) Zemlya (1930)
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#962(NEW) Out 1, noli me tangere (1971)
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Mar 22 2017, 08:30:43 AM
You know it's a real list when it has more entries than advertised in the title :D
what a perfect tagline! (l)
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Hmm, I'm a little surprised Out 1 didn't fare better, given it's now-wide availability. But I guess at that length it's still a challenge, and after all not everybody who does give up 13 hours is going to feel it was worth it.
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Mar 22 2017, 05:20:03 PM
#968(NEW) Riget (1994)
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Shouldn't "Directed by" be "Morten Arnfred, Lars von Trier"?
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Mar 22 2017, 05:45:53 PM
Hmm, I'm a little surprised Out 1 didn't fare better, given it's now-wide availability. But I guess at that length it's still a challenge, and after all not everybody who does give up 13 hours is going to feel it was worth it.
It jumped over 900 spots, what more do you want? :)
Length is why I still haven't gotten around to it, yeah.

Long films/mini-series seem to have made some gains this year. See also House of Cards above, for example.
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Mar 22 2017, 05:47:41 PM
Shouldn't "Directed by" be "Morten Arnfred, Lars von Trier"?

Imdb doesn't export Director info for mini-series. I can fix them later.
Edited by PeacefulAnarchy, Mar 22 2017, 05:49:59 PM.
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I guess this is due to the way IMDB handles TV stuff?
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Mar 22 2017, 01:47:49 PM
We have no say over which lists become official on icheckmovies.com. We are not an official forum. It is up to the list moderators of icheckmovies.com to choose new official lists (most of the list mods are members of our forum too).

500<400 was probably chosen because it's a cool idea which is different to anything else and it directly relates to icheckmovies.com.

I'd like to see our favourite movies list become official as we clearly have links to icheckmovies.com. They already have a top list from Reddit, Fok and FilmTotaal and I don't think any of them have any involvement with icheckmovies.com by this point and one of the forums is almost dead I think. There's also a list from moviesense.nl. I can't remember, what is that site? I can't find it.

Edit: The Western list is from the now defunct IMDb boards and, I never realised until now but the Spiritual list is from an arts & faith forum. What is that forum? I had no idea that was the source.

I don't expect to see our list become official but it would be great.
if there was enough support from us - if we all chimed in and said "hey, icmforum's list of faves should be official" it would certainly help. From all the discussion I've read, I don't see an overriding reason why is should NOT be official and it's clear some people like duplicative lists.

No, I think we should start a campaign: Make this list official! Sign the petition! Join the protest movement (we need a theme song/chant - movie based, of course)! B)
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Mar 22 2017, 01:47:49 PM
We have no say over which lists become official on icheckmovies.com. We are not an official forum. It is up to the list moderators of icheckmovies.com to choose new official lists (most of the list mods are members of our forum too).
Right. I suppose this is what I find most confusing as a newbie to this forum.

There is a thread titled 'New Lists' in which several users are clearly conversing with other users that do I have a say. All a little mysterious, I suppose, for me as an outsider looking in.

Sorry - I'm still getting the hang of how everything here works (but I'm loving the experiencing so far).
I felt that way when I first got started too, but really, input it welcome though it is a bit hard to figure out the whole new lists things - seems like a great topic for the Q&A/FAQs etc. (just keep in mind that it's rather akin to herding cats, so just don't let the occasional hiss or growl scare you off)
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#961(⇩312, #649) L'amour l'aprθs-midi (1972)
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#960(NEW) Qing shao nian nuo zha (1992)
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#958(⇩143, #815) Byτsoku 5 senchimκtoru (2007)
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