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French Challenge; Official - April 2018
Topic Started: Mar 29 2018, 05:22:34 AM (4,003 Views)
maxwelldeux
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Goal
From 1 April 2018 to 30 April 2018, watch as many films from France as you can. Only films made in France are eligible - because this is a Country challenge, we're sticking with the country of France.

Eligible Countries
France

Usual Rules
- Any film in from France counts
- Feature film (over 40 minutes) counts as one entry.
- 60 minutes of short films count as one entry.
- The miniseries rule applies.
- Rewatches are allowed.

Stats & Formatting:
- Title (year) is the preferred format
- For TV episodes, please use "Series Title: Episode Title (year)"
- New posts are preferred over edited posts
- I'll be tracking years with this challenge, along with the number of doubles (films counting for two official challenges) and triples (films counting for all three official challenges)

Useful Links:

Official Lists
César Awards
TimeOut
Times

Unofficial Lists
Explore French cinema
Film de France top 100
French Ministry of foreign affairs
Histoires De Films Français
ICM Forum Top 250
Nouvelle vague
Les inrocks top 100
RYM Top 100
Une histoire du cinéma français
Every film that's ever won a Caesar <-- Thanks clemmetarey!

French Films Streaming on Common Platforms (US Only)
Netflix: https://trakt.tv/search/movies/?watchnow=netflix&countries=fr
Amazon Prime: https://trakt.tv/search/movies/?watchnow=amazon_prime&countries=fr
Hulu: https://trakt.tv/search/movies/?watchnow=hulu_plus&countries=fr
Filmstruck: https://trakt.tv/search/movies/?watchnow=film_struck&countries=fr

List of Triples
Triples: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/triple+funexclamation/72allinncallme/

Shout Out
clemmetarey, whose 2016 post for this challenge I've shamelessly stolen. :thumbsup:

Participants
Participants
RankParticipantNumber of WatchesDoublesTriples
1 psychotronicbeatnik 78 29 9
2 hurluberlu 38 12 3
3 allisoncm 33 7 0
3 Ivan0716 33 18 11
5 sortile9io 30 11 0
6 morrison-dylan-fan 23 8 1
7 72allinncallme 20 12 2
8 clemmetarey 19 7 1
9 Hippiemans 18 4 1
10 Simba63 17 10 7
11 3eyes 16 2 2
12 Mate_cosido 14 8 4
13 jdidaco 12 12 0
14 jeroeno 11 8 2
15 sol 10 2 0
16 maxwelldeux 9 6 1
16 ororama 9 3 0
18 klaus78 8 2 0
19 frbrown 7 3 1
20 OldAle1 6 2 2
20 vortexsurfer 6 4 0
22 connordenney 5 1 1
23 cinephage 4 1 0
23 Tarris1 4 0 0
23 St. Gloede 4 2 0
23 India Istanbul 4 3 0
27 Fergenaprido 3 1 1
27 sebby 3 1 2
27 tommy_leazaq 3 2 1
30 blocho 2 1 0
31 Lakigigar 1 0 0
31 matthewscott8 1 0 0


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Week 1 Stats
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Week 3 Stats
Edited by maxwelldeux, Yesterday, 4:26 PM.
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jeroeno
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So much I would like to see. Yeah, I'm in.
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72allinncallme
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In! Just France then? You guys are so strict :D
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This...is a cactus.
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oui, je suis 'in'.
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Might go for bronze in both the country lists, ~14 movies left (assuming 8 of the movies are on both lists)
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In. (Not even Belgium? Oh, well.)
Edited by 3eyes, Mar 29 2018, 01:23:45 PM.
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C'est parti mon kiki !!!
Of course I'm in, even though I'll spend the first 2 weeks of april in a Film Festival and won't be able to work on any challenge...
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I know I am definitely watching at least one movie. I have a list of many more that I'd like to get through in April, but not sure how many I will watch as I'm going to be quite busy for most of the month.
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I'm in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJaw0tYVn40
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Is Providence (1977) eligible?
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Mar 29 2018, 05:33:39 PM
Is Providence (1977) eligible?
Part of it was filmed in France and the director is French. I don't see why not.
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Sorry, I should have been more specific! Where do we draw the line? Any film with a France tag on IMDB? Anything with a significant(whatever constitutes significant) amount of French involvement?

If the French language isn't a requirement then what about films like:
-The Conformist (1970) and Rocco and His Brothers (1960) which are obviously Italian but were partly filmed in France and/or had a French lead.

-The Pianist (2002) which was set/shot in Poland with a mostly English-speaking cast but has won the Cesar award for best film.

-Mustang (2015) which was the nominated as a French film in the Oscars but doesn't seem to be anything French about it besides the director being a French citizen.
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The Conformist was directed by Bertolucci. It's not a French film, although it features Jean-Louis Trintignant.

Any film nominated for a Cesar would probably be okay.

Mustang you could get away with probably, but that's up to maxwelldeux. It's definitely not filmed in France.
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Ok, so we can't just go by IMDB tags then. I personally wouldn't count those 4 films I listed in the last post, just curious where the line is drawn, not that I'm planning loophole a bunch of non-French films into this challenge. :P
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I would think that there are enough films that are actually made by French filmmakers, in France, with French casts speaking French that one wouldn't need to look for "loopholes", unless one wants to be able to just watch English-language films that happen to be partly or mostly French-financed or something (i.e. most of Luc Besson's films). I guess I see the spirit of these challenges as important - if you want to do a French challenge, watch goddamn French films, not stuff that is French only because one of the companies involved that ponied up 10% of the dough is headquartered in Paris.
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Mar 29 2018, 06:07:35 PM
Sorry, I should have been more specific! Where do we draw the line? Any film with a France tag on IMDB? Anything with a significant(whatever constitutes significant) amount of French involvement?

If the French language isn't a requirement then what about films like:
-The Conformist (1970) and Rocco and His Brothers (1960) which are obviously Italian but were partly filmed in France and/or had a French lead.

-The Pianist (2002) which was set/shot in Poland with a mostly English-speaking cast but has won the Cesar award for best film.

-Mustang (2015) which was the nominated as a French film in the Oscars but doesn't seem to be anything French about it besides the director being a French citizen.
I tend to agree that the spirit of the challenge is important - there are plenty of undoubtedly French films out there to watch.

But there's also the game aspect of the challenges, so I understand the need to draw the line somewhere. I tend to be pretty permissive about what counts for challenges - I fall into the "Anything with a significant amount of French involvement" camp. When in doubt, state your case - if you make a reasonable argument about why something should be included, I'll probably accept it.

Based on some quick IMDBing, the only one from your list that really gives me pause is Rocco and His Brothers, but I'm not familiar with it. If you think it should be included, state your case (when you watch it).
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I'm not looking for loopholes, I'm just curious about what's eligible and what isn't, last time I was told that Viridiana doesn't count towards the Latin American challenge because the forum has come to the consensus that it's a Spanish film, so I thought it would be nice if this time I could find out beforehand what the criteria are. Not that I would lose sleep if I watched a French co-production and then be told it's not "French enough", I'm not watching films just to compete in these challenges.
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Pas de problème maxwelldeux :thumbsup:

I'm also in.
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Mar 29 2018, 06:56:47 PM
I'm not looking for loopholes, I'm just curious about what's eligible and what isn't, last time I was told that Viridiana doesn't count towards the Latin American challenge because the forum has come to the consensus that it's a Spanish film, so I thought it would be nice if this time I could find out beforehand what the criteria are. Not that I would lose sleep if I watched a French co-production and then be told it's not "French enough", I'm not watching films just to compete in these challenges.
Heh. I remember that. Personally, I would have counted it, because while it's definitely a Spanish film, Mexico had a significant contribution to it. But that's just differences in hosts - no one is right or wrong, just different interpretations of how to host.

I tend to be "when in doubt, allow it" as a host. :geek:
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(Modestly), in! Thanks for hosting, max!
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If anyone is interested, I was working on a list of Every films that has ever won a César. I was hoping to finish it before the end of the month, but I know I won't so I'm releasing it now. I'll keep updating it.

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Thanks, clemmetarey.
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Mar 31 2018, 02:45:31 PM
If anyone is interested, I was working on a list of Every films that has ever won a César. I was hoping to finish it before the end of the month, but I know I won't so I'm releasing it now. I'll keep updating it.

Added to OP. Thanks!
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Moi aussi! A few French titles are still waiting on my watchlist plus I'd like to explore some of those lists in the opening post (by the way, links to "Une histoire du cinéma français" and "TimeOut" are broken) as well as other titles scattered throughout different official lists. And a great excuse to watch Bardot, Binoche, Béart, Seigner, etc.
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1. Choice of Arms / Le Choix des Armes (Alain Corneau, 1981) 7/10
2. Love at Sea / L'Amour à la Mer (Guy Gilles, 1964) 8-/10
3. Clémence et Ferdinand (Florence Mauro, 2018) 6/10
4. Eaux profondes (Michel Deville, 1981) 7/10
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1. Mauvais Sang (1986)
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1. François Truffaut: Stolen Portraits 1993 - 10/10 - https://letterboxd.com/allisoncm/film/francois-truffaut-stolen-portraits/ - Question for native French speakers. Marcel Ophuls tells a story about how Max referred to Truffaut as “malfrangué” (translated as scruffy). Not sure I’m spelling it right. Does anyone have an idea what the true meaning of this word is? and/or the spelling?
2. Paris-Willouby/Meet the Guilbys (2015) - 5.5/10 - https://letterboxd.com/allisoncm/film/meet-the-guilbys/
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1. Le dîner de cons (1998) 8/10
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1. Alice ou la dernière fugue (1977)
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1. La règle du jeu AKA The Rules of the Game (1939)

Very well done film, but I just don't quite fully understand why it's rated as one of the best films of all time. Technically, the film seemed well ahead of its time, but the critique on bourgeois society seemed to be underplayed to me. Definitely saw the influence on later films like Discrete Charm... Probably should go and read the booklet on this.
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1. Diabolo menthe - Peppermint Soda (1977, Diane Kurys)

2. Tous les garçons et les filles de leur âge...: Portrait d'une jeune fille de la fin des années 60 à Bruxelles (1994, Chantal Akerman)

The last one is set in Brussels and it's by a belgian director, but is french production and is listed as France in IMDb, so you'll be the judge if that counts or not, i don't care either way, the film was :wub:

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1. Haute Tension (2003)

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While incredibly brutal and often intense, I spent the first hour of High Tension wondering where it would ultimately go, only to be pretty bitterly disappointed. The film really falls apart in the third act. I get the intelligence behind what occurs, but it significantly soils the rest of the film, which is a shame since there are some very cool images and memorable shocking imagery early on here.
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1. Depuis qu'Otar est parti / Since Otar left (Fr 03)

French film set mostly in Georgia (ex-SSR) with dialog in French, Russian and Georgian. The main character (played by a nonagenarian) speaks mostly French and they go to Paris in the last act. I've resisted seeing it for a long time (it's been on my queue for ages) and had got it for the Women Directors challenge but didn't get around to it until last night. So glad I finally did.
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Ok, I'm modestly in as well:

1. Cet obscur objet du désir (1977) - 6/10
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1. Depuis qu'Otar est parti / Since Otar left (Fr 03)

Set mostly in Georgia (ex-SSR) with dialog in French, Russian and Georgian. The oldest of 3 generations of women (played by a nonagenarian) speaks mostly French, and the last acct is set in Paris. I've had this on my DVD queue for ages - got it for the Women Directors challenge but RL kept me from watching it until last night. So glad I finally did.
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TimeOut link : https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/timeouts+100+best+french+films/
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3. Back to Burgundy/Ce Qui Nous Lie - 7/10 - https://letterboxd.com/allisoncm/film/back-to-burgundy/
4. L’Économie du couple/After Love - 5/10 - https://letterboxd.com/allisoncm/film/after-love-2016/
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Got it - Thanks! Link fixed in OP.
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01. Monsieur Klein (1976) - 6/10

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