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History Challenge; September 2011
Topic Started: Aug 26 2011, 01:17:08 PM (3,603 Views)
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Hope it's OK if I set this up.

HISTORY CHALLENGE (SEPTEMBER 2011)

Goal:
Watch as many movies as you can that are related to history in some way. You could choose a specific period or topic for a focus if you like.

If you are in doubt whether a movie counts or not, just ask. (I set this up because I was getting impatient, not because I want to manage it -- I'll leave it to the group to decide if something is out of line.)

Here's what I think: A good but not necessary touchstone is the presence of a real historical figure as one of the characters. Documentaries count. So do period pieces, if they touch on the events of the day.

Rules:
- A feature film (Anything over 45 minutes) counts as one entry
- A total of 90 minutes of short films count as one entry
- For Mini-Series (45 minute episodes or longer) each episode counts as an entry.
- For Mini-Series with shorter episodes (25 minutes or so), the 90 minute rule applies.
- No rewatches

Challenge runs from 1 September 2011 - 30 September 2011.

There are no ICM lists specifically geared to history, tho Westerns and War overlap. Anyone who knows of a relevant list, please feel free to post it.

Here again is my French history list (pre-20th cent- includes some biopics)

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Edited by 3eyes, Aug 27 2011, 03:01:44 PM.
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Help! I've been trying to post a list for some 20th century topics: World War I, the Spanish Civil War, the McCarthy period, Hiroshima/Nagasaki - but most of the titles appear crossed out. Why, oh why?

Edited by 3eyes, Aug 26 2011, 01:27:16 PM.
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Aug 26 2011, 01:20:46 PM
Help! I've been trying to post a list for some 20th century topics: World War I, the Spanish Civil War, the McCarthy period, Hiroshima/Nagasaki - but most of the titles appear crossed out. Why, oh why?

Any chance that "strikeout" tag is hiding in your text block? Try a "find" (ctrl+f) on "openbracket s closedbracket" (I can't write it, or it strikes out everything I write after it!). If it's there, get rid of it!

Aha -- yes, it looks like this, but without the spaces: [ s ]
Edited by burneyfan, Aug 26 2011, 01:32:11 PM.
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Thanks for the tip, burneyfan! I use WordPerfect, where strikeout tags would show. But I got rid of all the square brackets and that solved the problem. Thanks!

So here it is: World War I, Spanish Civil War, Hiroshima-Nagasaki, McCarthy period.

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Also, here's a list of war films from LoB:

http://www.listsofbests.com/list/68102-201-essential-war-films
Edited by 3eyes, Aug 26 2011, 02:15:45 PM.
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Aug 26 2011, 01:17:08 PM
Hope it's OK if I set this up.


I think it's great. If you are going to manage this for us I think it's a good idea to look at the original posts in the other challenge threads for a "format" to follow. It helps newcomers see the rules, among other benefits.

If this is going to be our "official" thread, count me in for the challenge.
Edited by beeswax, Aug 27 2011, 01:05:00 PM.
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Thank you for the reminder, beeswax. We did agree on history for our second September challenge (unless I'm way out of date).

I posted some guidelines at the top as you suggested. As for managing the list, I may be out of commission later in the month.
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Hey 3eyes, could you list the participants in your first post? I'm in.
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Here's a list from Mubi: A Cinematic History of Humankind
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Thanks for the reminder, Sean. I will when I get a better sense of who's in.

Thanks for the list, mjf.
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Not sure how many I'll "see". But I'll take a stab at it. Especially the French historical dramas.
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Aug 26 2011, 01:17:08 PM


There are no ICM lists specifically geared to history, tho Westerns and War overlap. Anyone who knows of a relevant list, please feel free to post it.

Well, there are IMDb lists for "History" and "Biography."

As you mentioned, historical references can be found in the "Western" and "War" lists from IMDb. There are also some true stories to be found in the "Sport" section that might be helpful for people interested in the mid-20th century.

The "TV Miniseries" list from IMDb has worthwhile stuff: I, Claudius, Band of Brothers, two different Heimat series, Elizabeth R, Roots ....

There are also lots of historical epics from the silent era. Check the IMDb 1910s and 1920s lists, and the "Top 100 Silent Era" list.

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Since I gravitate toward the historical/political, here's a list of history-related movies I've seen. It's a mishmash, and long, but I offer it in case it reminds you that you "always wanted to see that" or otherwise piques your interest. I've added notes as led.

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Edited by 3eyes, Aug 29 2011, 12:05:18 PM.
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Interesting challenge.

And I have a question. Will all the movies which are based on true story should come into this challenge? E.g.: Changeling, Zodiac. Or should it be strictly restriucted to political events?

Edited by tommy_leazaq, Aug 29 2011, 06:52:28 AM.
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Great list, 3eyes, thanks for the hard work! :)
Just wanted to add several more from my favorites that have not been mentioned:

Full Metal Jacket (Vietnam)
Z (Greece)
Battle of Algiers (Algeria)
Platoon (Vietnam)
The Hill (North Africa, WWII)
The Pawnbroker (Holocaust)
The Pianist (Holocaust)
Serpico (police corruption)
Ballada o soldate (WWII)
Ashes and Diamonds (WWII)
In the Heat of the Night (racism)
The Best Years of Our Lives (WWII)
Doubt (Catholic school 1964)
Barry Lyndon (18th century)
Papillon (1930s)
Hands Over the City (corruption in post-WWII Italy)
Ivanovo detstvo (WWII Russia)
Voskhozhdeniye a.k.a. Ascent (WWII)
Sansho the Bailiff (medieval Japan)
Letyat zhuravli a.k.a. The Cranes Are Flying (WWII)
Birdman of Alcatraz (based on actual events)
Judgment at Nuremberg (WWII)
Mr. Klein (Holocaust)
Stalag 17 (WWII, POW)
Paths of Glory (WWI)
The Shop on Main Street (WWII, Holocaust)
The Train (WWII)
The Wages of Fear (South America)
To Kill a Mockingbird (racism)
The Great Escape (WWII, POW)
On the Waterfront (union violence and corruption)
The Manchurian Candidat (Korean War POW)
The Lives of Others (1984 East Berlin, Stasi)
Edited by bal3x, Sep 1 2011, 10:09:54 AM.
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Thanks for the additions, bal3x! (Actually I've seen most of them, LOL)

tommy, that's a grey area. I should think those movies would qualify. Certainly historical doesn't have to mean political. I included, e.g., biopics of people in science and the arts in my lists.




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Aug 29 2011, 12:24:25 PM
Thanks for the additions, bal3x! (Actually I've seen most of them, LOL)

tommy, that's a grey area. I should think those movies would qualify. Certainly historical doesn't have to mean political. I included, e.g., biopics of people in science and the arts in my lists.




Welcome! ;)
Yeah, I think Zodiac would certainly qualify since it's based on real events, not quite sure about Changeling though.
I love political stuff! :)
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Changeling was supposedly a real story from the thirties. It was filmed w/some real locations. I'd count it.
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So Social network also counts, right?
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Oh, I was not aware about Changeling done on a real story, sure then it counts as does Social Network.
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I'm probably not going to take part in this challenge, but would something like Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure count ? :P
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would something like Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure count ?


Hmm. Well, I guess it's logically in a class with other time-travel movies such as Time Bandits and Midnight in Paris - and a Russian movie (name eludes me at present) wherein a modern person changes places with Ivan the Terrible -- so I suppose it would count.
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OK, here's the list of participants so far -- some of you haven't formally said you're in, so lemme know if you aren't:

allisoncm
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Edited by 3eyes, Sep 1 2011, 12:39:30 PM.
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Well, I have signed up with the French challenge so I will not be concentrating on both, but maybe some films overlap :)
History is a very broad subject so I am hoping to be able to manage at least some movies for this one too.
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Ok count me in too as I usually end up watching films with a history theme quite a bit. But I am not setting any targets for this.
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I'm in, too.
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I'm in. I'll use films like Renoir's La marseillaise.
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Aug 29 2011, 03:48:09 PM
OK, here's the list of participants so far -- some of you haven't formally said you're in, so lemme know if you aren't:


Formal entry : I am IN... :)

So basically every movie that has a disclaimer "based on a true story" at the beginning qualifies this challenge, right? Except FARGO.. ;)
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Aug 29 2011, 03:48:09 PM
OK, here's the list of participants so far -- some of you haven't formally said you're in, so lemme know if you aren't:


Formal entry : I am IN... :)

So basically every movie that has a disclaimer "based on a true story" at the beginning qualifies this challenge, right? Except FARGO.. ;)
Yes, even Le pétomane.
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Do Historical Documentaries like from these titles, count? http://movies.netflix.com/WiAltGenre?agid=5349&plagid=6839
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Do Historical Documentaries like from these titles, count? http://movies.netflix.com/WiAltGenre?agid=5349&plagid=6839


Definitely.
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Do Historical Documentaries like from these titles, count? http://movies.netflix.com/WiAltGenre?agid=5349&plagid=6839


Definitely.
Then I'm definitely in! There are quite a few that I keep pushing off for one reason or another.
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1. Mesrine: Public Enemy No. 1 (also in French challenge)
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OK, here's the list of participants so far -- some of you haven't formally said you're in, so lemme know if you aren't:
Sorry, but I won't be participating in this challenge.
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1. Leon Morin, pretre (also French)
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1. Two in the Wave [2010] - 7/10

Historical Relevance: 1960's French New Wave

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01. His Majesty O'Keefe -- B. Haskin, 1954.

Historical context: 1870s Micronesia (Yap and Palau, though the film was actually shot in Fiji). Based (loosely) on the life of David O'Keefe (1820s-1901), an American from Savannah, Georgia who found a way to make the large stone "coins" prized by the people of the island of Yap. He traded the "coins" for copra (dried coconut meat, a hot commodity back then, since you could squeeze it for coconut oil), and eventually owned and "ruled" his own island.

Dear God. Massive racism AND MOUTAINS of CHEESE! Most of the time, either my jaw was dropped or I was laughing. Burt Lancaster plays the title role. The only reason I can imagine this film was made was to show him with a scene-fluctuating tan that would gladden the heart of George Hamilton, and with his shirt off a lot -- although there's one scene pretty early on where you can see a truly horrific tan/makeup line at his waist -- it's not a good thing. I'll watch him in anything, but he is at his annoyingly Manly-Man worst here. Let's not even touch the two "native" women he romances (one of whom is British-born Caucasian Joan Rice in a wig and dark makeup -- they bond over Tennyson). I'll stick with his relationship with the natives that he's trying to trade for copra. Let me paraphrase his speeches and voiceovers for most of the film -- and mind you, some of the worst bits are actual phrases he uses: "Gee, these darkies have strong backs made for working...how can they not give me all the coconuts on their trees because I ask for them? This land was made for a man like me to own! Stupid natives...what's wrong with them? I offer them cuckoo clocks in exchange for extensive physical servitude and they aren't interested?! Huh?!" And then when you think the stupid colonialism can't get worse...it does! He supposedly gets a lesson on the evils of greed by the end, but...well...not really! Fiji in Technicolor is pretty, but...wow. If you like movies with gigantic glops of cheese where you spend a lot of time thinking, "Oh no they didn't just...oh NO he didn't...!" -- then this is your film!

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2. Goodbye, Lenin! [2003] - 4.5/10

Historical Relevance: German reunification

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1, The Natural (1984)

Historical Reference: This story about a Baseball player in the 1930s is loosely based on a true story and you have a feel of sport and life in the 1930s New York, a good role for Robert Redford.

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1. Constantine's Sword; 2007

Historical Relevance: It's a documentary that covers the history of the Catholic Church and it's prejudice towards the Jews.

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2. Remember the Titans (2000)

Historical reference: Based on a true story about racial integration in an American football team in about 1971

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