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iCM Forum Film World Cup match 2G: Spain vs Serbia; Voting deadline: August 5
Topic Started: Jul 23 2015, 06:04:41 PM (1,930 Views)
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This is match 2G of the iCM Forum Film World Cup.

SPAINvSERBIA
Muerte de un ciclista / Death of a Cyclist (1955)vDecko koji obecava / The Promising Boy (1981)
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- You must watch both films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the 2 films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

The film with more #1 votes wins. If there's a tie, the match will be extended 3 days.

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There are 2 things to talk about with The Promising Boy

What kind of a suck fucks puts their email in the first 6 minutes of a movie they ripped?

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Also, if I ride a motorcycle, I'm wearing this:

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1. Dečko koji obećava [The Promising Boy] (1981) 6/10 maybe 7/10
2. Muerte de un ciclista [Death of a Cyclist] (1955) 6/10
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They both have a somewhat similar anti-establishment theme, but the Serbian films is easily the more exciting of the two - especially the soundtrack.

1. Decko koji obecava
2. Muerte de un ciclista
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The members of the most prominent New Wave band, Šarlo Akrobata, also star in the film- they act as Slobodan's band. Aleksandar Berček (Slobodan) jumped instead of one of their members:



This is their best known song "Nobody like me".

If someone's interested about specific tunes, I'll gladly direct him to the link. :cheers:
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Jul 23 2015, 08:51:29 PM.
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Very easy choice this round.

1. Muerte de un ciclista (8/10)
2. Decko koji obecava (6/10)
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Should I be a fan of some kinds of music in order to appreciate Mario's choice? I really feel cold towards its characters. Along with The Banquet this one make the least favorite films in Round 2.
And finally I get the chance to watch the infamous Death of Cyclist. However, it is not that great as I expected before. Solid but nothing impresses me.

1. Death of a Cyclist
2. The Promising Boy
Edited by zhangalan, Jul 24 2015, 01:56:36 PM.
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zhangalan
Jul 24 2015, 01:54:07 PM
And finally I get the chance to watch the infamous Death of Cyclist. However, it is not that great as I expected before. Solid but nothing impresses me.
I suppose you meant famous, not infamous... :satstunned:
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sortile9io
Jul 24 2015, 02:34:44 PM
zhangalan
Jul 24 2015, 01:54:07 PM
And finally I get the chance to watch the infamous Death of Cyclist. However, it is not that great as I expected before. Solid but nothing impresses me.
I suppose you meant famous, not infamous... :satstunned:
Ah, sorry, I don't know they have slightly different meanings :P
You know, flammable is the same as inflammable, so... :sweat:
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Jul 24 2015, 03:31:54 PM
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Jul 24 2015, 02:34:44 PM
zhangalan
Jul 24 2015, 01:54:07 PM
And finally I get the chance to watch the infamous Death of Cyclist. However, it is not that great as I expected before. Solid but nothing impresses me.
I suppose you meant famous, not infamous... :satstunned:
Ah, sorry, I don't know they have slightly different meanings :P
You know, flammable is the same as inflammable, so... :sweat:
"onweer is ook weer"

(sorry, Dutch joke)
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zhangalan
Jul 24 2015, 01:54:07 PM
Should I be a fan of some kinds of music in order to appreciate Mario's choice?
It's not about the music, but overquestioning of social norms and search for own personal way instead of otherwise predetermined place in universe.

Yet if you see nothing wrong about Slobodan's milieu, I can't help you with that. :shrug:
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Jul 25 2015, 02:17:37 PM.
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1. Dečko koji obećava 8/10
2. Muerte de un ciclista 7.5/10

The Spanish film is nicely shot and well-acted, but I expected more to get from such highly regarded work. Also, Bardem's depth of frame couldn't match the bulk of subversive messages that DKO is rich with, nor I get much to think about it later.

EDIT: Voting deadline should be put below the topic's title, as its description.
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Jul 25 2015, 09:16:06 PM.
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1. Muerte de un ciclista
2. Decko koji obecava

The Serbian film was doing ok until he hit his head and it got stupid.
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Jul 26 2015, 02:18:08 AM
The Serbian film was doing ok until he hit his head and it got stupid.
Some people actually need that :lol:
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1. Muerte de un ciclista
2. Decko koji obecava

Maybe if I had translated lyrics...it might have pushed Decko koji obecava into number one as I'm not a fan of either film...or maybe it would have caused me to like the film even less ^_^
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Jul 27 2015, 07:58:02 PM
1. Muerte de un ciclista
2. Decko koji obecava

Maybe if I had translated lyrics...it might have pushed Decko koji obecava into number one as I'm not a fan of either film...or maybe it would have caused me to like the film even less ^_^
You had translated lyrics only for songs that matter... those of Slobodan's band. Other songs are YU punk classics and I didn't translate them 'cause too much dialogue is never appreciated.

EDIT: As I said, a film file with song translations is here on Private section, not at YouTube.


Better That I Wear Short Haircut - PEKING DUCK (Novi Sad classic punk)


Let Nothing Bothers You - DIRTY THEATER (Zagreb new wave)


Sky - ELECTRIC ORGASM (Belgrade Post-punk)
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Jul 28 2015, 06:42:38 AM.
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The Promising Boy - 6.5

It was "promising" until he got hit in the head for the first time. And with each subsequent hit in the head, the film went downhill but fortunately not by a great degree. But I gotta appreciate two things: It was never boring and soundtrack was cool.

And it seems if I like two movies almost equally, I seem to go with the one with boobs. Happened with Mexico and Chile. Nothing intentional here, just a subconscious decision :lol: So now for me, like some of UEFA champions league matches, a draw would ensure Serbia to go through here. :P
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Jul 28 2015, 03:29:10 PM
The Promising Boy - 6.5

It was "promising" until he got hit in the head for the first time. And with each subsequent hit in the head, the film went downhill but fortunately not by a great degree. But I gotta appreciate two things: It was never boring and soundtrack was cool.

And it seems if I like two movies almost equally, I seem to go with the one with boobs. Happened with Mexico and Chile. Nothing intentional here, just a subconscious decision :lol: So now for me, like some of UEFA champions league matches, a draw would ensure Serbia to go through here. :P
So you're the first one who recognized humour I so love there. It makes me giggle all throughout. :D

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1. Muerte de un ciclista (Spain)
2. Decko koji obecava (Serbia)
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Muerte de un ciclista 5-3 Dečko koji obećava
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1. Death of a Cyclist (1955)
2. The Promising Boy (1981)

I liked Mario's choice, it's certainly above its low reputation (abroad). Provocatively written and well directed, especially the first third. Even after the hit, its foreseeable grotesque tone is mostly controlled (this part reminds me the Almodóvar of that time -surely sortile9io knows about movida madrileña-). The ending is great too. But, wait a minute, this is like that Israeli movie in round 1, isn't it? :lol:

Death of a Cyclist is one of Bardem's great achievements (The Lovemaker, Nothing Ever Happens). Technically flawless (photo, editing or art direction are not usually strong points of Spanish cinema in the 50s), Bardem maintains an intense level of suspense in a work of social criticism.
Edited by Angel Glez, Jul 30 2015, 11:41:41 AM.
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A real easy choice this time:

1. Death of a Cyclist (1955)





2. The Promising "Climacteric Whore" Boy (1981)
Edited by monty, Jul 30 2015, 11:30:49 AM.
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never mind
Edited by Angel Glez, Jul 30 2015, 11:41:01 AM.
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monty
Jul 30 2015, 11:29:22 AM
A real easy choice this time:

1. Death of a Cyclist (1955)





2. The Promising "Climacteric Whore" Boy (1981)
Yeah she was ready to ditch everything for a single fuck and start a new life with his daughter's bf; I find this scene funnier than every single second of Black Cat, White Cat, so this is where our cultural differences arise.

AG & zhangalan, you didn't check the film.
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Jul 30 2015, 12:10:32 PM.
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Jul 30 2015, 12:09:50 PM
monty
Jul 30 2015, 11:29:22 AM
A real easy choice this time:

1. Death of a Cyclist (1955)





2. The Promising "Climacteric Whore" Boy (1981)
Yeah she was ready to ditch everything for a single fuck and start a new life with his daughter's bf; I find this scene funnier than every single second of Black Cat, White Cat, so this is where our cultural differences arise.

AG & zhangalan, you didn't check the film.
Yes, it was also quite funny how he forced himself on her and how she came to realize that she wasn't being raped but fondly fucked. Also, loved the inventive lyrics of the Iggy Pop song.
Edited by monty, Jul 30 2015, 12:45:49 PM.
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01. Muerte de un ciclista

02. Decko koji obecava


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Jul 30 2015, 08:25:18 AM
I liked Mario's choice, it's certainly above its low reputation (abroad). Provocatively written and well directed, especially the first third. Even after the hit, its foreseeable grotesque tone is mostly controlled (this part reminds me the Almodóvar of that time -surely sortile9io knows about movida madrileña-). The ending is great too. But, wait a minute, this is like that Israeli movie in round 1, isn't it? :lol:
You mean "Laberinto de pasiones"?
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Jul 30 2015, 02:13:14 PM
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I liked Mario's choice, it's certainly above its low reputation (abroad). Provocatively written and well directed, especially the first third. Even after the hit, its foreseeable grotesque tone is mostly controlled (this part reminds me the Almodóvar of that time -surely sortile9io knows about movida madrileña-). The ending is great too. But, wait a minute, this is like that Israeli movie in round 1, isn't it? :lol:
You mean "Laberinto de pasiones"?
Or Pepi Luci Bom, starring Alaska. Their cinematic universes have nothing to do, but I see a sociological connection.
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I liked Mario's choice, it's certainly above its low reputation (abroad). Provocatively written and well directed, especially the first third. Even after the hit, its foreseeable grotesque tone is mostly controlled (this part reminds me the Almodóvar of that time -surely sortile9io knows about movida madrileña-). The ending is great too. But, wait a minute, this is like that Israeli movie in round 1, isn't it? :lol:
You mean "Laberinto de pasiones"?
Or Pepi Luci Bom, starring Alaska. Their cinematic universes have nothing to do, but I see a sociological connection.
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AG & zhangalan, you didn't check the film.
I'll do when it makes the Doubling the Canon list. :P
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AG & zhangalan, you didn't check the film.
I'll do when it makes the Doubling the Canon list. :P
Didn't you know, Mario? Angel is one of the people who use ICM in a weird way.
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AG & zhangalan, you didn't check the film.
I'll do when it makes the Doubling the Canon list. :P
Didn't you know, Mario? Angel is one of the people who use ICM in a weird way.
" ...people who dislike movies they rated 7/10."

Hehe, who's this then?
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AG & zhangalan, you didn't check the film.
I'll do when it makes the Doubling the Canon list. :P
Didn't you know, Mario? Angel is one of the people who use ICM in a weird way.
" ...people who dislike movies they rated 7/10."

Hehe, who's this then?
I can't remember them all, but all the weirdos in that post have been confirmed.
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AG & zhangalan, you didn't check the film.
I'll do when it makes the Doubling the Canon list. :P
Didn't you know, Mario? Angel is one of the people who use ICM in a weird way.
" ...people who dislike movies they rated 7/10."

Hehe, who's this then?
Found it. Marazmatique rated Into the wild 7/10 and disliked it. It's somewhere in that thread.
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Muerte de un ciclista: I liked how they played around with fear and guilt in the movie. Also, nice cinematography.
Decko koji obecava: As quite a few people already mentioned, this movie has a great soundtrack.

1. Muerte de un ciclista - 8/10
2. Decko koji obecava - 7/10

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Jul 30 2015, 11:29:22 AM
A real easy choice this time:

1. Death of a Cyclist (1955)





2. The Promising "Climacteric Whore" Boy (1981)
Yeah she was ready to ditch everything for a single fuck and start a new life with his daughter's bf; I find this scene funnier than every single second of Black Cat, White Cat, so this is where our cultural differences arise.

AG & zhangalan, you didn't check the film.
Strange. I thought I checked it on ICM already.

Nevertheless, I did record my viewing on Douban.
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Jul 30 2015, 10:33:32 PM
Decko koji obecava: As quite a few people already mentioned, this movie has a great soundtrack.
And let's not forget this beautiful Russian song by Vladimir Visotskiy who died only a year before they were making the film:

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Posted Image Muerte de un ciclista 9-3 Dečko koji obećava Posted Image

Where are all the voters?
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I'll probably watch Dečko koji obećava tomorrow.
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1. Dečko koji obećava 7/10
2. Muerte de un ciclista 5/10

I agree with frbrown that Dečko koji obećava was the more exciting of the two. Dečko koji obećava has a high pulse throughout though I feel like it rushes towards an ending after the second hit to the head and I was a bit confused there with the sudden wedding (?). While it has nihilistic tendencies it has enough humor and satire (the Yugoslav TV joke was good, though I feel like I've seen it before someplace) to not go overboard and as a rebel film it is pretty good. It felt a bit like Ferris Bueller's Day Off at times though grounded in a somewhat seedy reality (that band apartment especially). It was a little awkward the way the band was introduced visually with the concert but the songs fit the movie well.

Muerte de un ciclista has nothing interesting to say about anything and it has a very forced and dumb ending. The movie is wasting a lot of time on one aspect of being afraid of getting caught but lays it all out in dialogue instead of trusting in / directing a more subtle acting from the actors. Instead every time the camera lingers on a face it adds nothing to the depth of the film. The script does at least give the story an interesting turn but it is ruined by that ending. Muerte de un ciclista does have a nice look to it though and is better edited of the two, Dečko koji obećava has some disrupting scene transitions at times.
Edited by Lilarcor, Aug 1 2015, 02:56:44 PM.
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