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iCM Forum Film World Cup match 3C: Japan vs Russia; Voting deadline: September 20
Topic Started: Sep 7 2015, 01:06:19 AM (2,425 Views)
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This is match 3C of the iCM Forum Film World Cup.

JAPANvRUSSIA
Yume no ginga / Labyrinth of Dreams (1997)vBelovy / The Belovs (1994)
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Voting Rules:
- You must watch both films before you vote.
- To vote, rank the 2 films from most favorite to least favorite. (note: you're ranking the individual films, not the countries)

The film with more #1 votes wins. If there's a tie, the match will be extended 3 days.

Here's a quick summary of how the tournament works
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Mario Gaborović
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1. Belovy 7/10
2. Yume no ginga 6/10
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01. Yume no ginga

02. Belovy

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1. Belovy
2. Yume no ginga
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1. Yume no ginga
2. Belovy
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Labyrinth of Dreams - 7.3. Rena Komine!! What a gorgeous woman!! :wub:

A good moody dream-like film. Music and cinematography were top notch. They both really intensified the atmosphere. Asano did a good job as usual. But overall it fell short of my "Favorite" zone. Stylistic measures were given more importance than needed. Some shots were needlessly too slow and static that I was wondering if I had pressed the pause button by mistake. By the end, it felt like a Style-over-Substance material, which is a shame as it has started extremely well and promised a lot.

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tommy_leazaq
Sep 9 2015, 04:13:05 PM
Rena Komine!! What a gorgeous woman!! :wub:
Woman, she was a 15-16 year old child in real life when the movie was made.
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Not much between these two movies for me. Yume no ginga had too many scenes where people were just staring, Belovy felt like endless quarreling.

1. Yume no ginga - 6/10
2. Belovy - 6/10
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jvv
Sep 10 2015, 01:26:07 PM
(...) Belovy felt like endless quarreling.
You know it's a documentary, right? And this is exactly the subject of it, if I'm not mistaken. :happy:
Edited by Gershwin, Sep 10 2015, 01:48:11 PM.
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Sep 10 2015, 01:47:51 PM
jvv
Sep 10 2015, 01:26:07 PM
(...) Belovy felt like endless quarreling.
You know it's a documentary, right? And this is exactly the subject of it, if I'm not mistaken. :happy:
I know that, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. :P



BTW: I wonder if the documentary makers selected a family called Belov on purpose, since apparently there is a well-known writer called Vasily Belov who idolized the traditional rural Russian lifestyle (from Wikipedia: showing the traditional Russian rural ways of life as an idyll of man living in harmony with nature).
Edited by jvv, Sep 10 2015, 03:26:31 PM.
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jvv
Sep 10 2015, 03:21:04 PM
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Sep 10 2015, 01:47:51 PM
jvv
Sep 10 2015, 01:26:07 PM
(...) Belovy felt like endless quarreling.
You know it's a documentary, right? And this is exactly the subject of it, if I'm not mistaken. :happy:
I know that, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. :P
But it sounds like you're missing the point. :P
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Sep 10 2015, 03:25:06 PM
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Sep 10 2015, 03:21:04 PM
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Sep 10 2015, 01:47:51 PM
jvv
Sep 10 2015, 01:26:07 PM
(...) Belovy felt like endless quarreling.
You know it's a documentary, right? And this is exactly the subject of it, if I'm not mistaken. :happy:
I know that, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. :P
But it sounds like you're missing the point. :P
:shrug:
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This conversation works very well with your avatars. :D
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Posted Image Yume no ginga 3-2 Belovy Posted Image
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Belovy - Had it been a fictional film, I'd have liked it but this being a documentary, I was feeling like the poor family was being exploited here by the filmmakers. I felt like an uninvited guest in the second half, where I was being forced to watch the private conversations of a family. May be the film has deeper political meanings and metaphors but the fact is I did not care to notice them as I was feeling like intruding the family's privacy. Was there any similar documentary documenting upper class people's day-to-day life, bathing style and private/emotional conversations between their family members?

Some of the exterior shots and the dog were amazing though.


1. Labyrinth of Dreams
2. Belovy
Edited by tommy_leazaq, Sep 11 2015, 07:49:42 PM.
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Forgot to mention it before but imo this is the filler round of the quarterfinals. Every other match has at least one favourite, and this doesn't even have any 7/10s.
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Sep 11 2015, 07:52:29 PM
Forgot to mention it before but imo this is the filler round of the quarterfinals. Every other match has at least one favourite, and this doesn't even have any 7/10s.
I too feel both films are not really good. And its between two of the strongest countries remaining. The Irony!
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tommy_leazaq
Sep 11 2015, 07:55:44 PM
Ettinauer226XL
Sep 11 2015, 07:52:29 PM
Forgot to mention it before but imo this is the filler round of the quarterfinals. Every other match has at least one favourite, and this doesn't even have any 7/10s.
I too feel both films are not really good. And its between two of the strongest countries remaining. The Irony!
That would mean they would both be out of the contest, if they hadn't met each other in this match.
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I think both of you are mistaken. Yume no ginga is the best film of the round (followed closely by In the Heat of the Sun).
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Belovy is a clear 9/10. You guys have no taste. -_-

Actually this is where my love for very personal documentaries started. When you start to love the subjects of a documentary, despite all their nasty character traits, that's a great moment.
Edited by Gershwin, Sep 11 2015, 08:27:51 PM.
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1. Belovy
2. Labyrinth of Dreams

watched Labyrinth a while back, remember it looking great but being a little dissatisfying overall. Belovy was not always the easiest watch, but one of those docs that really draw you in.
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I laughed when I looked at the user ratings for Belovy :lol:

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I relate to the lower ratings for the film.

I liked Labyrinth of Dreams, but I wasn't blown away by it. Seemed rather basic as a whole, but I was finally pulled in near the end (might have helped that a cord I had plugged in slipped out for a few seconds during an intense scene and I spent a second wondering what happened to the people in the film during that brief moment :lol: ). If only the movie ended a few minutes earlier. The last few minutes washed away any chances of me really liking it.

1. Yume no ginga
2. Belovy
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Posted Image Yume no ginga 5-3 Belovy Posted Image
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Sep 12 2015, 12:20:33 AM
Posted Image Yume no ginga 5-3 Belovy Posted Image
Amendment, it's Posted Image Yume no ginga 6-3 Belovy Posted Image now.

1. Yume no ginga
2. Belovy

Not a well-organised doc for Belovy, and way too stylish as doc. And some of the scenes remind me of Grey Gardens, which I find annoying as hell.

Oh well, and this guy looks like Milan Kundera.
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1. Labyrinth of Dreams
2. The Belovs

Quoting myself from the bonus thread:
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Yume no ginga / Labyrinth of Dreams (1997, Sogo Ishii)

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Better than I expected for a "punk filmmaker". :lol: Also better than Angel Dust, which I found fascinating in the beginning but very annoying because of its metaphysical pretensions.
Brilliant idea (a sort of remake of Barakat's The Nightingale's Prayer), tiny screenplay, and lots of dreamlike atmosphere. But style cannot replace substance, I still prefer the Egyptian film.

Characters are tenderer in the documentary, though. And the song "Caballo viejo" brings back memories of this (mythical long-running soap opera). :rolleyes:
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Imo Ishii's punk films are much better. Crazy Thunder Road is defintely one of the better student films I've seen and great bikersploitation. Electric Dragon 80.000 V is just insane in one of the best ways possible.

I know, a lot of people are going to groan at this, but he directed a concert film for the industrial group Einstürzende Neubauten and omg they were made to work together. Funny, one of the tattoos I plan on getting soon is Neubauten's band logo, but I want it on my outer shoulder so that it won't be in the EXACT same place as Henry Rollins has it :lol:

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Speaking of the songs in belovy, do anyone know what is the first song that comes at the very beginning? It sounded like a old Hindi song.
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Sep 12 2015, 08:57:14 AM
Speaking of the songs in belovy, do anyone know what is the first song that comes at the very beginning? It sounded like a old Hindi song.
If you knew, would that improve your rating? :shifty:

Edit: if the Soundhound app on my telephone is right, it's this song:

Edited by Gershwin, Sep 12 2015, 09:09:52 AM.
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I expected some more safe pics, seing as we are getting closer to the end of the WC and seing as this are two of the bigger countries still competing. I respect the rather unusual choices, but I wasn't completely convinced of neither of the two films. :(

1. Belovy
2. Yume no ginga

My thoughts on each:

Belovy / The Belovs (1994, Victor Kossakovsky)
Docu about old peasant siblings, that have a quite complicated relationship with each other. Good, because the filmmakers are very close to them and there are a lot of moments of awkwardness and humans just behaving human. I found it funny and tragic in the weirdest way.
7/10

Yume no ginga / Labyrinth of Dreams (1997, Gakuryű Ishii)
A young female bus conductor falls for her bus driver, who might have or might not have killed his previous bus conductor fiances. A complicated relationship ensues. Really nicely directed, but the story lacks a bit of depth and the characters are not very fleshed out and their decisions seem neither real enough, nor stylized enough, so I just didn't care much for either of them.
6.5/10
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Yume no ginga 6/10
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Nice to see some new voters here, at least occasionally.
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1. Yume no ginga
2. Belovy

I didn't think either film was good, found both very boring and hard to stay interested in them but the Japanese edges out slightly for having nice visuals. Also I'm a little bit concerned about all the people going on about the lead actress of the Japanese film because she looked about 12 :/
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What's with the music in Belovy? Is it Mexican? In a Russian movie? Doesn't fit the movie at all imo.
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Actually it is Cuban, not Mexican.

Edited by Mario Gaborović, Sep 13 2015, 10:47:40 AM.
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Sep 13 2015, 10:02:05 AM
What's with the music in Belovy? Is it Mexican? In a Russian movie? Doesn't fit the movie at all imo.
Funny, that was one of the best moments for me. I think the Cuban song suits very well the cheerful motion of the dog running after the tractor (or even of the ants) and introduces a good contrast to the previous scene that is quiet and rather static.
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1. Yume no ginga (Japan) 7/10
2. Belovy (Russia) 7/10
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1. Yume no ginga 7/10
2. Belovy 6/10
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10-5
I don't think Russia will survive this round.
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Neither do I. :lol: Next time I'll go with the mafia films again, predictable or not.

However it's remarkable that already two or three people gave the same rating to both films, but ranked Japan higher. I guess that's because a documentary always loses against narrative fiction.
Edited by Gershwin, Sep 13 2015, 06:44:12 PM.
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And now it looks like the stylized film is going to win... I really don't get this world cup.
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