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iCM Forum's Favourite Balkan Films: Nominations; Ends February 29th
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This is a call for Balkan films!. The goal here is to compile a list to serve as a guide for users to explore the region's rich cinematic tradition. Lists of all sizes are welcome. As I'm somewhat worried about having a low number of submissions, if users know anyone outside the board who would be interested in submitting a list, please have them do so!

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-Both IMDB and iCM list will be accepted (although I would prefer IMDB lists).
- Fully ranked or unranked ballots only please.
- Films must be from a Balkan country
-Ex-Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania
-Films from countries with close cultural ties to the Balkan region (Cyprus, Moldova) will be accepted as well.
-Turkish films will also be eligible. However, I encourage users to use their own judgement as to whether they feel Turkish films should qualify. I would also ask that Turkish films with very little connection to the Balkans (ex. those set in Turkish Kurdistan) not be included. Ultimately, I would leave this up to each individual participant.


This poll is set to close on February 29th, but I would be open to leaving it up for longer if there are those who are still interested in submitting lists.


There is currently a challenge being held in the challenge section of the site. This challenge will continue until the end of the poll in case anyone would like to participate.

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Edited by Panunzio, Mar 13 2016, 01:05:51 AM.
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If you have a favourite films list, what you can do is use this link:

http://www.imdb.com/search/title?countries=COUNTRYCODE&lists=YOURLIST

Replace COUNTRYCODE with these:

Albania: AL
Bosnia and Herzegovina: BA
Bulgaria: BG
Croatia: HR
Cyprus: CY
Greece: GR
Kosovo: XKV
Macedonia: MK
Moldova: MD
Montenegro: ME
Romania: RO
Serbia: RS
Slovenia: SI
Turkey: TR
Yugoslavia: XYU

Because of this, I can only include films in my favourites lists as I don't rate on imdb, as opposed to adding both my favourites and 7/10s to my list. It's gonna be even smaller than it already is. I'll make my list later. So far it's only 17 films, with a few being co-productions. I must change that, although the time I have to spare for films is very small (I might have some time to spare in 2 weeks when there's no work, although I might have to do a few days of training)

It's obvious that this film will be #1 in my list though: https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/autobiografia+lui+nicolae+ceausescu/
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I'm slowly working on this challenge as well, so I'll make a list for sure. Might even get around to watching all 3 hours of Arthur's favourite movie before the end of February. :D
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Jan 29 2016, 06:51:02 AM
If you have a favourite films list, what you can do is use this link:

http://www.imdb.com/search/title?countries=COUNTRYCODE&lists=YOURLIST
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Whats the use of this? To confirm Theo and Kusta as flagbearers & epithome of Balkan cinema? I admire your intention Panunzio, but this will not help in case you guys go through this region by "most popular films" method.
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Jan 29 2016, 10:08:01 AM.
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It says it in the first sentence. If like me you have a list of your favourite films, you replace the YOURLIST part of the url with your list. Then depending on your country code it'll be stuff like "Here are all the Croatian films in your list" or all the Romanian films and stuff like that.

I'm assuming you just clicked on the URL without a specific list so it just showed the most popular ones in the site.

Here's an example: http://www.imdb.com/search/title?countries=ro&lists=ls006646927

These are all the Romanian films in my favourite films list. Although I wouldn't consider Code inconnu to be Romanian.
Edited by XxXApathy420XxX, Jan 29 2016, 10:13:53 AM.
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I'm going to skip this one. Since I have my list would consist of one film.
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My very short list: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls033747650/
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Often is hard to choose because I like some films I know others wouldn't. Maybe I should just put them all into one box without ranking them; that way, at the same time, you'll get my recs and choose to watch what suits your taste, and I will nominate my own favorites too.
As you can see, there's small number of films made after 1990.

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1. Ples v dežju / Dance in the Rain (Hladnik, 1961)
2. Samorastniki / Wild Growth (Pretnar, 1963)

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1. Ritam zločina / Rhythm of a Crime (Tadić, 1981)
2. Martin u oblacima / Martin in the Clouds (Bauer, 1961)
3. Izbavitelj / The Redeemer (Papić, 1976)
4. Čvor / Knot (Papić, 1969) - short film
5. Rondo / Roundabout (Berković, 1966)
6. Treći ključ / The Third Key (Tadić, 1983)
7. Predvečerje / Twilight (Galić, 1966) - short film
8. Licem u lice / Face to Face (Bauer, 1963)
9. H-8... (Tanhofer, 1958)

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1. Kuduz (Kenović, 1989)
2. Sjećaš li se, Dolly Bell? / Do You Remember, Dolly Bell? (Kusturica, 1981)

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1. Lepota poroka / The Beauty of Vice (Nikolić, 1986)
2. Čovjek koga treba ubiti / The Man to Kill (Bulajić, 1979)

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1. Njeriu prej dheu / Man Made of Soil (Sopi, 1984)

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1. Kolnati sme, Irina / We're Cursed, Irina (Angelovski, 1973)
2. Crno seme / Black Seed (Cenevski, 1971)
3. Tetoviranje / Tattoo (Popov, 1991)

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1. Përralle Nga e Kaluara / A Tale from the Past (Anagnosti, 1987)

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1. Filantropica / Phylanthropy (Caranfil, 2002)
2. 4 luni, 3 săptămîni și 2 zile / 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days (Mungiu, 2007)
3. Nunta de piatra / The Stone Wedding (Pița, Veroiu, 1973)
4. Occident / West (Mungiu, 2002)

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1. Chelovek idyot za solntsem / Following the Sun (Kalik, 1961)

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1. Ritzar bez bronya / Knight Without Armor (Sharaliev, 1966)
2. Svetat e golyam e spasenie debne otsvyakade / The World Is Big... (Komandarev, 2009)
3. Orkestr bez ime / A Nameless Band (Kirkov, 1982)

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1. O fovos / The Fear (Manoussakis, 1966)
2. Ta kokkina fanaria / The Red Lanterns (Georgiadis, 1963)
3. Synoikia to Oneiro / A Neighbourhood of Dreams (Alexandrakis, 1964)
4. Stella (Kakogiannis, 1955)
5. Prosopo me prosopo / Face to Face (Manthoulis, 1966)

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1. O viasmos tis Afroditis / The Rape of Aphrodite (Pantzis, 1985)
2. Macherovgaltis / Knifer (Economides, 2010)

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1 Karpuz Kabuğundan Gemiler Yapmak / Boats Out of Watermelon (Uluçay, 2004)
2. Herşeye rağmen / Despite Everything (Oğuz, 1988)
3. Selvi Boylum, Al Yazmalım / Girl with the Red Scarf (Yılmaz, 1978)

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1. Dogodilo se na današnji dan / It Happened on This Very Day (Lekić, 1987)
2. Tajvanska kanasta / Taiwan Canasta (Marković, 1985)
3. Nacionalna klasa / The National Class (Marković, 1979)
4. Specijalno vaspitanje / Special Education (Marković, 1977)
5. Majstori, majstori / Handymen, Handymen or All That Jacks (Marković, 1980)
6. Tople godine / Hot Years (Lazić, 1966)
7. Kičma / Backbone (Gilić, 1975)
8. Pre istine / Before the Truth (Rakonjac, 1968)
9. Zazidani / The Walled In (Rakonjac, 1969)
10. Subotom uveče / Saturday Night (Pogačić, 1957)
11. Nema malih bogova / There Are No Small Gods (Đukić, 1961)
12. Balada o svirepom... / Ballad of a Fierceone (Đukić, 1971)
13. Zaseda / The Ambush (Pavlović, 1969)
14. Vrane / Crows (Mihić, Kozomara, 1969)
15. Dečko koji obećava / The Promising Boy (Radivojević, 1981)
16. Ko to tamo peva / Who's That Singing Over There? (Šijan, 1980)
17. Davitelj protiv davitelja / Strangler vs. Strangler (Šijan, 1984)
18. Balkanski špijun / Balkan Spy (B. Nikolić, Kovačević, 1984)
19. Paviljon VI / Ward Six (Pintilie, 1978)
20. Šesta brzina / Sixth Gear (Šotra, 1981)

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1. Sveti pesak / Holy Sand (Antić, 1968)
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So what's needed that Balkans get official list? Do I need to make site like Greeks did (Cine.gr) or we should make it here by allocating slots based on population size? There's lots of great films nobody knows about.

EDIT: I separated one Vojvodinian film in case somebody wants to conquer Serbian northern province, which has centuries-long autonomy.
Edited by Mario Gaborović, Jan 29 2016, 12:19:51 PM.
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Jan 29 2016, 10:07:38 AM
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Jan 29 2016, 06:51:02 AM
If you have a favourite films list, what you can do is use this link:

http://www.imdb.com/search/title?countries=COUNTRYCODE&lists=YOURLIST
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Whats the use of this? To confirm Theo and Kusta as flagbearers & epithome of Balkan cinema? I admire your intention Panunzio, but this will not help in case you guys go through this region by "most popular films" method.
Huh, obviously one would have to replace COUNTRYCODE by the country code(s) of the Balkan countries and YOURLIST by a list id. So you'd filter the eligible movies from your favourite movies list. I don't see what's so bad about that.
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So you'd filter the eligible movies from your favourite movies list. I don't see what's so bad about that.
I just want to be more accent on pre-1990 films, especially 1960s and early 1980s. That's all.
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I don't know which Turkish movies would be eligible. My only 8+ movies from Turkey are:
Uzak
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Are these eligible?
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I don't know which Turkish movies would be eligible. My only 8+ movies from Turkey are:
Uzak
Yol
Are these eligible?
You said you like Eastern European war dramas. The only war film I ever favorited is Zivojin Pavlovic's Ambush, which may interest you. After success of When I Am Dead and Gone, he had the honor to open 1969 national festival in Pula, but when the jury saw his film, he was forced to escape to Slovenia and make films there. Today is considered as greatest anti-communist film ever made in Yugoslavia - not that I personally share such b/w political views.
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I don't know which Turkish movies would be eligible. My only 8+ movies from Turkey are:
Uzak
Yol
Are these eligible?
You said you like Eastern European war dramas. The only war film I ever favorited is Zivojin Pavlovic's Ambush, which may interest you. After success of When I Am Dead and Gone, he had the honor to open 1969 national festival in Pula, but when the jury saw his film, he was forced to escape to Slovenia and make films there. Today is considered as greatest anti-communist film ever made in Yugoslavia - not that I personally share such b/w political views.
Not an answer to my post, but I'll check it out.
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Whats the use of this? To confirm Theo and Kusta as flagbearers & epithome of Balkan cinema? I admire your intention Panunzio, but this will not help in case you guys go through this region by "most popular films" method.


I'm not trying to simply collect the most popular films. In fact, I'm hoping to get quite a bit of variety in terms of lists. Obviously the most popular films will end up higher as they're the one's that most people will gravitate to first, and they are the ones which are most likely to have proper releases/subtitles outside of the Balkans. That's why it would be a shame if members who were well versed in Balkan cinema did not contribute. They're knowledge of many lesser known films and hidden gems would add a lot more character to the list. Your Yugoslav list is already a fantastic resource, and that's why I hope you contribute to the poll.

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I don't know which Turkish movies would be eligible. My only 8+ movies from Turkey are:
Uzak
Yol
Are these eligible?


The reason why I was so iffy about the Turkish films is that it's a huge region with a population that is about as large (if not bigger) than the rest of the Balkan region put together. At the same time, Turkey is part of the region, and has had a tremendous influence on it historically. So as much as Turkey should definitely be included, I worry about the possibility of Turkish films crowding out many of the others on the list, so I would like to leave it up to individual members to decide whether (and which) Turkish films qualify.

Ideally though, the Turkish films would be somewhat focused on the Balkan region (rather than say, the far southeast regions of the country, which have few ties to the Balkans and are oriented more towards the Middle East. But, as I said, I want to leave it up to the discretion of the individual so that if someone feels a film should be included that may fall on the borderline of what should be accepted, it may still appear on the list, albeit a little lower.
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My only 8+ movies from Turkey are:
Uzak
Yol
Are these eligible?
Why shouldn't be?
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My only 8+ movies from Turkey are:
Uzak
Yol
Are these eligible?
Why shouldn't be?
Because of what the OP says. I don't know enough about Turkey to know immediately if a movie is Balkan oriented or not. Takes some digging.

I'll include them.
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My favorite Greek movies and a few others...... tehe
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls033796396/
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My only 8+ movies from Turkey are:
Uzak
Yol
Are these eligible?
Why shouldn't be?
Because of what the OP says. I don't know enough about Turkey to know immediately if a movie is Balkan oriented or not. Takes some digging.

I'll include them.
Feel free! There are no hard and fast rules. Some people will want to include them, while others will not.
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My only 8+ movies from Turkey are:
Uzak
Yol
Are these eligible?
Why shouldn't be?
Because of what the OP says. I don't know enough about Turkey to know immediately if a movie is Balkan oriented or not. Takes some digging.

I'll include them.
I don't think we should divide these countries strictly geographical. Because then the whole Romania and west half of Yugoslavia wouldn't fall into that group.

With Bulgaria there's a huge problem with subtitles; only 3 out of 10 best films made by their critics' board are translated (Goat Horn, The Peach Thief, Knight without Armor). With Albania it's even worse; only 1 feature made before 1990s (A Tale from the Past).

EDIT: Joachim, you put Saul's Son which is a Hungarian film. Hungary is not Balkans.
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Watching Theo's films again might be the worst cauchemare somebody could ever put me to. He's actually the reason why people are afraid of Balkan cinema. :lol:

He thinks that putting poets rambling around the beach will get his outrageously boring films a poetic dimension. :shrug: Not a single shot in Topio stin omichli could save his misdeed.
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ranked: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/best+of+balkan/mathiasa/
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The LGBT crowd here would certainly be pleased by Žilniks low-budget Marble Ass, played by real life street hookers:

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https://www.icheckmovies.com/movies/kuduz/

My favorite Bosnian film has Turkish poster. How to change this? It's obviously two different films from two countries that share religious/historical ties. This is the real one:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/sr/a/aa/Kuduz.jpg
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Will you submit a list yourself, Mario?
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Will you submit a list yourself, Mario?
My list is up there, can't you see? :) The only thing I'm not sure is, could I bold my five best picks so that these films get 2 points instead of just 1??
I don't know how Panunzio arranged this.
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Will you submit a list yourself, Mario?
My list is up there, can't you see? :) The only thing I'm not sure is, could I bold my five best picks so that these films get 2 points instead of just 1??
I don't know how Panunzio arranged this.
Eh... no, I don't see it. You only posted a list of titles sorted by country. Is that your submission? You should make an IMDB-list.
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If I need to make IMDb list, ok. I just don't know how I should arranged it: ranked, unranked, or in tiers.
If I find time, I could even upload some films at YT and then to ICM pages. Ritam zločina is already there.
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If I need to make IMDb list, ok. I just don't know how I should arranged it: ranked, unranked, or in tiers.
If I find time, I could even upload some films at YT and then to ICM pages. Ritam zločina is already there.
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-Both IMDB and iCM list will be accepted (although I would prefer IMDB lists).
- Fully ranked or unranked ballots only please.
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Balkan films, ranked:

http://www.imdb.com/list/ls033159164/
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Replace COUNTRYCODE with these:

Albania: AL
Bosnia and Herzegovina: BA
Bulgaria: BG
Croatia: HR
Cyprus: CY
Greece: GR
Kosovo: XKV
Macedonia: MK
Moldova: MD
Montenegro: ME
Romania: RO
Serbia: RS
Slovenia: SI
Turkey: TR
Yugoslavia: XYU
Apparently there is also the countrycode YUCS for (federal republic of) Yugoslavia.
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Jan 30 2016, 12:40:16 PM
Apparently there is also the countrycode YUCS for (federal republic of) Yugoslavia.
Then it has to be Serbia and Montenegro countrycode too, as it's the same entity with different name.
Basically I have favorites from all countries except Kosovo, so I just put that one film which is the best of five I've seen in total. That may serve for Conquer the World challenge.
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Do us a favor and eliminate interlopers, like that Kautner film. Austrian cinema does not belong here. Just as Sweet Movie, Savior, Maradona, Arizona Dream, Cure: Life of Another, Guns of Navarone or Kelly's Heroes. Or any ventures that random passer-byes were involved in.

And Joachim, eliminate Saul's Son already because that's Hungarian film.

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Jan 30 2016, 01:35:57 PM
Do us a favor and eliminate interlopers, like that Kautner film. Austrian cinema does not belong here. Just as Sweet Movie, Savior, Maradona, Arizona Dream, Cure: Life of Another, Guns of Navarone or Kelly's Heroes. Or any ventures that random passer-byes were involved in.

And Joachim, eliminate Saul's Son already because that's Hungarian film.

I don't know much about Die letzte Brücke, but from what I can tell on IMDB, it does seem to be a genuine co-production between Austria and Yugoslavia. A significant portion of the cast and crew seem to be Yugoslavian, and it was filmed there too. For the time being, I'll allow it, but I'm open to hearing reasons why it should or shouldn't be permitted.

Son of Saul on the other hand, is definitely not permitted.
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Do us a favor and eliminate interlopers, like that Kautner film. Austrian cinema does not belong here. Just as Sweet Movie, Savior, Maradona, Arizona Dream, Cure: Life of Another, Guns of Navarone or Kelly's Heroes. Or any ventures that random passer-byes were involved in.

And Joachim, eliminate Saul's Son already because that's Hungarian film.

I don't know much about Die letzte Brücke, but from what I can tell on IMDB, it does seem to be a genuine co-production between Austria and Yugoslavia. A significant portion of the cast and crew seem to be Yugoslavian, and it was filmed there too. For the time being, I'll allow it, but I'm open to hearing reasons why it should or shouldn't be permitted.

Son of Saul on the other hand, is definitely not permitted.
The reason it was seen/got vote was Kautner - otherwise mathiasa wouldn't take his time to watch it. That DDR/Bulgarian film is the same case.

For same reason, Battle of Neretva ended up as official check/was Oscar-nominated for having Orson Wells there, despite the fact that the film itself is tedious 3-hour-long pamphlet.

At least there's World Cup now, so that's a chance to challenge other parts of the world. So far we're doing well:
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The reason it was seen/got vote was Kautner - otherwise mathiasa wouldn't take his time to watch it. That DDR/Bulgarian film is the same case.

For same reason, Battle of Neretva ended up as official check/was Oscar-nominated for having Orson Wells there, despite the fact that the film itself is tedious 3-hour-long pamphlet.
So essentially, the reason it shouldn't be allowed in the poll is because it gained more views by virtue of it being a co-production? That hardly seems like a reason to disqualify it. Unless you have an actual reason why the film doesn't qualify as Balkan, it'll stay.
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So essentially, the reason it shouldn't be allowed in the poll is because it gained more views by virtue of it being a co-production? That hardly seems like a reason to disqualify it. Unless you have an actual reason why the film doesn't qualify as Balkan, it'll stay.
I didn't say you should disqualify it; just doesn't seem to fit here. Basically all the films that gained any interest (or at least 50% of them) owe that to external factor that is either 1) co-production, 2) foreign director, 3) foreign stars.

I don't see that's case with say, Polish/Czech cinema. :shrug:

Yet there's a particular reason for that: most films from the Black Wave period were simply "bunkered" and had no international life. The cases were plenty, but very different. Some of these methods are revealed in documentary "Censored without Censorship" which deals with Black Wave's rise and fall.

For instance, the case of Holy Sand was that the film was shown only once at 8 o'clock in the morning in the provincial theatre with wooden banks and wooden floor (while most films had normal premiere at festivals, followed by distribution). The film was shown only then, and lost track until it was found 27 years after. It was the key product of Vojvodina's Neoplanta Film which produced almost universally arthouse material.


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Unfortunately, that just seems to be the nature of the beast. There seem to be hundreds of films that don't get proper recognition, exposure, or releases for whatever reason. That's part of why I wanted to do this poll. To create a guide for exploration -- both of the widely-lauded essentials and many of those that were passed over by larger audiences.
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I removed Saul Fia. I don't understand how it ended up on my list, because it's not a coproduction, but somehow it appeared in the IMDB-search for the balkan countries.

I'll leave Die Letzte Brücke on my list. It's clearly a coproduction with enough Yugoslavian elements. Not just shot there, but also cast and crew.
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The LGBT crowd here would certainly be pleased by Žilniks low-budget Marble Ass, played by real life street hookers:

Looks weird... I'll add it to my watchlist :D Reading about it led me to Virdžina, which sounds more interesting, so I might watch that too.
Plus, when I lived in Croatia my friend wanted to take me to see Parada, but we never got around to it. Is it any good?
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